Batman vs The Avengers

22 Dec


Superheroes are currently locked in an epic struggle between the forces of darkness and the emissaries of light. I don’t mean good vs evil – I mean dark, depressing and dystopian, vs. primary-coloured escapist fantasy.

It was hard to imagine any superhero film topping Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight series, which felt like the films we’d been waiting for ever since Frank Miller’s graphic novel appeared in 1986, and the last two of which made just over a billion dollars each. Then along came Marvel Avengers Assemble, with a staggering $1.5 billion ker-ching.

The reason for this blog? On the ferry to France, Batman and Avengers were playing simultaneously in the two on-board cinemas. I’d seen both before, natch. Which to choose for a second viewing? The culmination of a lifetime’s near-obsession, begun as a toddler, continuing with interviewing Adam West ( and then writing the first cover feature on the Tim Burton Batman? Or else the four-colour joys of Joss Whedon’s Avengers Assemble?

Slightly to my own surprise, Whedon won hands-down. To me, it’s an object lesson in screen-writing. It’s phenomenally hard to write a genuine ensemble piece which is generous to each character, but he pulls it off. We start with the Black Widow, tied to a chair and interrogated by sinister Russians. Then the penny drops for us, as well as the men, that she is interrogating them. The fight scene that follows, thrillingly choreographed as it is, is secondary to the message that this is a character with brains, as well as beauty and brawn. And that’s not all. Whedon piggy-backs on this scene to build up the next character: Bruce Banner, aka The Hulk. That this fearlessly able woman is patently panicked at the thought of meeting him gives us a terrific feeling of anticipation before Mark Ruffalo even steps on screen.

And so it goes on, the dialogue fizzing like Aaron Sorkin in a cape.  Even Pepper Potts, in her brief time on screen, is given zingers that show she’s more than a match for Robert Downey Jr’s Tony Stark. The Hulk has two bits of laugh-out-loud visual slapstick. As for Captain America, Whedon makes even his boringness interesting: “These guys are basically Gods,” he is warned of Loki and Thor. He replies: “There’s only one God, ma’am. And I’m pretty sure he doesn’t dress like that.”

And a special prize for sneaking the insult “You whingeing c**t” into a 12A movie – which is basically how Loki’s Shakespearean insult “mewling quim” translates. At Time Out, our Marketing Director once snuck the words “f***ing hell” past the censors in a radio ad for the magazine, when Victor Lewis-Smith spoke of the “four quenelles” in a restaurant. Call me immature, but this gives me a similar kick.

What’s all the more remarkable is that this was planned so long ago. Five years ago I interviewed Kevin Feige, President of Marvel Studios (see full interview at Tired of franchising his best characters to studios who kept messing them up, or perhaps worse, succeeding with them (like Spiderman) and pocketing most of the profits, he staked the company on a $550 million loan to produce the blockbusters themselves. Avengers Assemble is the final pay-off for a bunch of movies, successful in their own right, that were effectively glorified marketing campaigns for this team-up.

So you can keep your dystopia. Even Alan Moore is bored of the angst-ridden heroes he helped create, as he told me in several interviews, and returned to the old-school fun of his boyhood in his series 1963. As for Superman being Nolanised next summer – the new trailer does look great, but I’m not sure I want a gloomy, introspective Man of Steel, all tarnished and bent out of shape.

…What do you think? Comments please!

9 Responses to “Batman vs The Avengers”

  1. Rob Ayling December 22, 2012 at 4:21 pm #

    Well I do agree that Avengers Assemble is a hulk-smashing piece of entertainment, I have to (respectfully) disagree and say in the situation that you were in that I would have chosen The Dark Knight Rises. Simply because it has so much more de

    • Rob Ayling December 22, 2012 at 4:22 pm #

      Sorry pressed done by accident.

      The Dark Knight Rises has so much more depth than Avenger Assemble.

  2. Erik K December 22, 2012 at 4:29 pm #

    I honestly think both have their place, but I will agree that Whedon did a spectacular job. Superhero films usually use the formula “the more super characters, the worse it will be.” The original Batman films piled on more characters with each installment leading up to perhaps the worst piece of cinema ever created (at least the worst thing ever made with name actors and a real budget). The third Raimi Spider-Man did this too, and the second Iron Man. So my fear for The Avengers was based on that, and also on the generally lackluster quality of the films that led up to it. But Whedon really made it work, and I think part of it was letting the Black Widow take such a central role (especially surprising after her pointless Iron Man 2 appearance). I don’t want another Avengers film as much as I want a Whedon-helmed Black Widow film.

    I also loved Dark Knight Rises, but if I were asked which I’d like to watch right now, I’d go with The Avengers. Comics have indeed become a lot less fun, and pure escapism created with real enthusiasm and skill is in short supply. I’m not feeling any love for the next Superman based on the trailers: Zack Snyder seems a terrible choice and Superman shouldn’t be grim ‘n gritty. I’ll put my vote in for a Wes Anderson Captain Marvel (Shazam) film that uses the original 40s material as inspiration.

  3. xmenxpert December 22, 2012 at 7:44 pm #

    I haven’t seen Dark Knight Rises yet, but I absolutely hated the first two Nolan Batman movies. Hated them. In all sincerity, I would rather watch Batman & Robin than Nolan’s batman movies. They were just a couple of pretentious pieces of garbage that took themselves far too seriously, while being full of ham-fisted writing, directing and acting.

    The Avengers, on the other hand, knew what it was – a popcorn flick – and was quite happy about it. It still had clever dialogue, cool directing, and great performances. It didn’t take itself too seriously, but it still respected the intelligence of the audience. It wasn’t a dumb movie by any means, but it could be enjoyed as such if you chose.

  4. sedatedtabloidreader December 23, 2012 at 10:39 am #

    The Avengers was enjoyable and well made, but, it lacked any sense of depth which is why I rate it as one of Whedon’s weaker pieces. Thought that is still better tan pretty much everything else out there.

    I would certainly watch it over The Dark Knight Rises as that film broke my heart. It was such a let-down. It was a contrived, nonsensical collection of by-the-book set pieces which lacked the intensity of the first two movies, both of which were brilliant. In my opinion TDKR is probably the weakest film Christopher Nolan has ever made.

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